Poor, poor Jane, and her poor, unfortunate circumstances. First, she is orphaned
Even though things are looking up at the end of Chapter XI, I've got a sneaking suspicion this state of happiness is not meant to last in Jane Eyre's world.
What struck me most about Jane throughout each of these trying situations was her terrible, incredible sense of justice. She argues with the Reeds, with her teachers, and with her dear friend Helen that she could not possibly back down in a situation in which she felt herself to be in the right:
"You are good to those who are good to you. It is all I ever desire to be. If people were always kind and obedient to those who are cruel and unjust, the wicked people would have it all their own way; they would never feel afraid, and so they would never alter, but would grow worse and worse. When we are struck at without reason, we should strike back again very hard; I am sure we should--so hard as to teach the person who struck us never to do it again."Now that is a 10-year-old who knows her own mind. But then again, she doesn't, always, for she continually puts so much stock in what others think of her; her sense of justice is completely tied up in her sense of how other people view her.
I've never read this, but I have a feeling that may get complicated for her down the road, single, unattractive, passionate girl that she is.
And also, what's up with the "circumstance of ghostliness" that accompanies the "curious cachination" (love that turn of phrase, even f spellcheck doesn't think "cachination" is a word)? Is Jane Eyre a book I could have put on my RIP VIII list?
For those reading for the first time, what did you find most noticeable about Jane?
For those re-reading, what stood out to you the second time through?
Next week: Chapters XII-XXI.
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*I mean, really, the Reeds must be the original Dursleys. What part of Bronte's description of John Reed does not remind you of Dudley?
"John Reed was a school boy of fourteen years old...large but stout for his age, with a dingy and unwholesome skin; thick lineaments in spacious visage, heavy limbs and large extremities. He gorged himself habitually at table, which made him bilious... He ought now to have been at school; but his mamma had taken him home for a month or two, 'on account of his delicate health.' Mr Miles, the schoolmaster, affirmed that he would do very well if he had fewer cakes and sweetmeats sent him from home; but the mother's heart turned from an opinion so harsh, and inclined to the more refined idea that John's sallowness was owing to over-application, and, perhaps, to pining after home."
You could definitely add this to your RIP list! It would be a good one for Halloween.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you that Jane's sense of justice is very well-developed for a ten-year-old, especially a ten-year-old in her particular circumstances. I think she is a fairly unusual kid in that most children in her position wouldn't argue back - they'd be completely cowed by their "superiors." I don't think that her placing so much stock in what others think of her is necessarily inconsistent - I think it's more childish than anything else, and since Jane is a child in this section of the book, it makes sense to me. Glad you're enjoying it so far! I love this book so much.
Good to know!
DeleteI don't think her worrying about what others think of her is inconsistent, either. Just a recipe for disaster if she keeps up placing that much stock in others' opinions of her--especially as she doesn't seem to have great luck in others forming said opinions!
I'm really liking it so far, and looking forward to finding out what's in the attic.
Love your comparisons to HP. Definitely has a lot of similarities. Jane's sense of justice is one of the reasons I think the world has loved her throughout the decades. As for adding this book to your RIP list? I sure did. ;)
ReplyDeleteOh, I like that theory about her sense of justice. I think it's the same reason so many kids in particular liked Harry Potter--even the "popular" kids can relate to that sense of injustice when they are judged harshly or inaccurately. This is my first JE read so I didn't expect that going into it, but the character plays on the same emotions in that regard.
DeleteTi from Book Chatter, and I, were talking about whether or not this is a gothic novel. While not a straightforward gothic novel, I think it DEFINITELY has gothic elements, and therefore it is totes a RIP book. It's on my list! Love it so far. Just posted my update.
ReplyDeleteI love when reading events overlap and are efficient like that. Bonus points!
DeleteI love your HP comparison! I didn't even notice it at first because I was thinking of my own comparisons to Joffrey from Game of Thrones...but John Reed is definitely a Dudley as well. - Maggie @ An American in France
ReplyDeleteAnother great comparison.
DeleteKerry,
ReplyDeleteMy apologies are yours, as I am still composing my thoughts and recollections on the first eleven chapters! I will post haste make amends, but I didn't want the full of the day to elapse before I left a note to excuse my absence! I am hopeful that after the errands are done, I can dig back into my post, and attach it here before the middle of evening is upon us! I look forward to reading your recollections as well as make my rounds to the other Septemb-Eyres! In case anyone else is curious, I am hoping to make my post live before 8pm!
I shall be quite earlier next Monday, as all is revealed in my first post, which you shall be able to read in several short hours!
No problem, Jorie. Post whenever is convenient for you!
DeleteI'll chime in and mention that Jane's sense of justice was a big point for me as well, and also her perspectives on poverty ("I should not like to belong to poor people" and "I was not heroic enough to purchase liberty at the price of caste").
ReplyDeleteI have yet to read Harry Potter but I've heard of the Dursleys; very interesting correlation. I was particularly affronted at the word 'delicate' being used to describe anything to do with John Reed!
Kerry, I loved that you loved the "curious cachinnation" phrase; it has, to me, a maniacal feel to it that I felt was so apt.
Yes, I thought the poverty was interesting too. It actually made me wonder whether I have more to learn on the various classes of this time period, because I wouldn't think of Jane as particularly well-to-do.
DeleteManiacal is the PERFECT word to describe "curious cachinnation." I love it.
I love that you've found an Eyre/Harry connection! This is exactly why I'm glad you're doing this/wish I could read along. I never would have thought about that, but it's a great comparison.
ReplyDeleteIt was the first thing that popped into my head - and another readalonger compared him to Joffrey! Clearly John Reed succeeded in getting under our collective readalong skin. Glad you're following along, even if you couldn't join us this time around!
DeleteI totally had the same connection with Harry Potter! Although, it mostly clicked when Jane got locked up in the red chamber and I was reminded of Harry and his closet of a bedroom. Love this!
ReplyDeleteThe red room was creepier than the cupboard under the stairs, though. At least the cupboard didn't have a ghost (that we know of).
DeleteHaha! I LOVE your HP connection! Methinks JK Rowling has read JE! What stood out to me the most on my second reading was how deep a lot of the thoughts and conversations were! Goodness Helen and Jane! I didn't have these conversations when I was 10-13!
ReplyDeleteOn a somewhat unrelated note: I can't get any of the links after Andi's to work. Is it just me or is the linky thing not working?
I definitely was not that sophisticated when I was 10. Or 13. Or 18. Or 25.
DeleteAnd the links are working for me... maybe trying clearing cache and refreshing? (I say this authoritatively because that's what my digital team at work tells me whenever a site is broken.)
It worked tonight! Apparently I had a bad Internet connection. Yeah, let's go with that :)
DeleteThe HP connection you made is so awesome! It would be so cool if JK Rowling was really inspired by Jane Eyre in how to portray a bullied child.
ReplyDeleteI think the thing I noticed the most with the re-read is Jane's sense of justice as you say. It's something that I think appealed to me when I was a teenager reading it because I agreed so strongly with Jane's views. And like the commenter said above, this would be a great book to add to RIP VIII- Gothic novels are part of the list I think, and this is a great Gothic novel! :)
Yeah, I think that explains why Jane is such a hit with teenagers (well, some teenagers).
DeleteAnd I'm definitely adding to my RIP VIII list, though at this rate I wouldn't need to in order to hit my 4 books goal.
i think my favorite scenes so far have been the ones involving helen burns or miss temple, or even the scene where bessie comes to find jane outside after she has finally spoken her mind to mrs reed, she is such a smart, strong, and awesome little girl and it breaks my heart that she's so starved for love and affection so i immediately love anyone that shows her kindness or attention, her laying in bed with helen with her arm around her had me in tears, i can't wait to dive back into the story tomorrow, i've never read it before but i do know enough about it to know that mr rochester is an important character so i'm excited at the mentioning of his name
ReplyDeleteI was touched by Bessie in a way, but wonder how much she is likeable only because she stands out in such stark contrast from the rest of the Reed household, including the servants. That said, she seems to have a good heart and is just doing her best to keep her position (which is more than can be said for Jane and her inability to keep her opinion to herself sometimes, which I love her for!).
Deleteyes it annoyed me that even after all this time and naming her daughter after jane she still had to point out that she thinks she's unattractive, i'm not always sure how much of this to credit to the times and the class of the people and how much is just meanness, it seems to be a trend around this time period for ladies to be so blunt about looks, especially well to do families and especially to younger girls
DeleteSigh. I am positively loving this book (as my post--I think--adequately expresses). Personally, I see some similarities to Pride and Prejudice, but I am a little further along in the book than the group. It's a really fun read, which I wasn't exactly expecting. I think my college lit classes really ruined a lot of literature for me and the English writers definitely got the worst of it. (I may even be able to read something by Dickens in the near future)
ReplyDeleteAlso, I didn't sign up for RIP, but after seeing some of the details about it, I wonder if I shouldn't have signed up! I am reading this which is totally Gothic and creepy and I'm reading Dracula in October. I am totally embracing creepy books this year!
Thanks for hosting!
Interesting that it is reminding you of P&P - I'm not getting that feel at all, but that's a good thing for me as I've read P&P twice and didn't like it either time. (And yet I'm just nuts enough to be contemplating a third read, because I feel like I really must just be missing something here.)
DeleteI know what you mean about college classes, too. Luckily (or not, depending on how you look at it), I wasn't an English major, so I didn't get as much English-lit fatigue. But I was off history books (my major) for years after I graduated.
Hi! I'm not signed up, but I hope it's okay to comment. Jane Eyre is my favorite book. I read it for the first time when I was 11 and proceeded to read it at least once a year just about every year until I was 20, at which point I drifted into a more bi-yearly cycle. :)
ReplyDeleteI hope it's okay for me to lurk here and occasionally comment, since I love seeing others' reactions and thoughts. --Jen
Of course it is! That's the fun part of a readalong for a classic instead of a newer book - so many more people have read it that the discussion can include even people who aren't currently reading.
DeleteReading this once a year is impressive. I can't say that I've done that with any book, though the Harry Potter books are probably the closest... I read the first one every year until I was 18 or 19 (they came out when I was 11, so I was the same age as Harry and friends). From what I've seen of JE so far, though, I think I'll likely re-read... looks like there is a lot here to appreciate on a second (and third, and fourth, and so on) read.
Although not officially a part of Septemb-Eyre, I am faithfully reading along. Any excuse to revisit a favorite book works for me. I, too am digging the Harry Potter comparison. I think a lot of the great stories share the same roots, and many themes, such as this one are timeless. As far as Jane's sense of justice and her response to being treated poorly, that totally resonates with me. I was just like that, and even from a much younger age.
ReplyDeleteI don't think Jane would have survived had she been cowed by people who mistreated her. Look what happened to Helen Burns.
I'd say that if you are faithfully reading along, you're an honorary part of SeptembEyre if not an official one! (It's never too late to sign up... I'm not particularly formal re: readalong "rules" and whatnot. The more the merrier.)
DeleteGood point about Jane's instincts to fight back being part of her survival instinct - in a situation as terrible as hers, I can't imagine she'd have managed if she was easily intimidated.
Hallo, Kerry!
ReplyDeleteI had this beautiful comment all typed out for you, but my browser timed out, then the internet went on the fritz, and to be honest I'm so exhausted I cannot re-compose it!! In full essence though, I had said I noticed the connection w/ Dudley & Harry Potter, as I too, hint at this in my review of Week One! I spent all my free hours in the world of Eyre, and I was so caught up in the process of this review, that I fell in love with my idea of joining The Classics Club EVEN MORE!!! :) :) I think I found my niche!!
Bless you for this read-a-long and when I'm better rested, I will come back, respond to your enquiry in earnest and make my rounds' to the other Septemb-Eyres!!
Hallo Kerry + the Septemb-Eyres!!
DeleteI briefly recapped my reactions to the commentary found here over on my post: Chapters I-XI! I sort of arrived a bit late this week, which I do apologise for, as I apparently am still suffering from tech issues! Oy! Today, I wanted to return to answer Kerry's Q:
Most noticeable about Jane!? Her willingness to amend her stance on a particular point of view OR life mantra, by the gentle influence of her beloved friend Helen Burns! Ms. Burns, I know would have been a mainstay in her life (had she lived), and I believe that its this direct connection to Helen that embodied Jane to grow in ways that might not have occurred, as up until this point in her life, she was nearly being raised by her own wits and sensibilities! Her ability to stand firm, stand strong, and not back down (even if it would be prudent at times to do so!), makes me rally behind her and see what comes next in her life!
She's growing into a woman who transforms and improves by the positive encouragement and nurturing of those who care to intercede on her life. I find that remarkable and heart-warming!
FYI: Kerry,
DeleteI had forgotten to answer your second question - I am only reading each chapter assignment per week, in which, I am only talking about the story as it unfolds without speaking about things not yet known! Which is why in my slideshow from DA, I avoided putting the Rochester images into the sequences! He has not yet been properly 'introduced' to Jane! I didn't even read Joyce Carol Oates Introduction because it felt like it would spoilt my reading of Eyre!! Not to worry for me! I only put a "spoiler" alert on my blog post in *case!* a random reader not in the Septemb-Eyres didn't want to know what happens in Chapters I-XI!!!